sure <div><br></div><div>by unconference I mean a place where people can choose their own agenda rather than having someone decide for them</div><div><br></div><div>workshop is fine</div><div><br></div><div>let me know when the idea matures</div>
<div><br></div><div>P<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Bob <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com">bob@citystrolls.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Well maybe a workshop rather than an unconference. There is quite a lot of academic research, knowledge of law and campaigns that have achieved good things. The problem is and was recognised at the conference the "Environmental Law Centre" held, and also through my own efforts is - increasing awareness at the grassroots level.<br>
<br>
In the field ideas, getting people out and about, photographing, recording - is kind of what I personal think is needed. I am not saying there is no need to do the other, unconferencing and so on. It is more (to me) in getting folk engaged in awareness of CG through doing things - a much faster route to learning and awareness. Having said that I am interested and would support any ideas folk come up with. I am happy to talk about what I know to think a few things out. Ch Bob<br>
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On 18/08/2010 13:06, Paola Di Maio wrote:<br>
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Bob<br>
<br>
definitely a topic I d like to see an unconference about :-)<br>
<br>
'the commons in Scotland'<br>
<br>
I found these background resources<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.scottishcommons.org/docs/commonweal_1.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.scottishcommons.org/docs/commonweal_1.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://communitylandtrusts.org.uk/cms/resources/uploads/File/history_and_background(1).pdf" target="_blank">http://communitylandtrusts.org.uk/cms/resources/uploads/File/history_and_background(1).pdf</a><br>
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Paola Di Maio<<a href="mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com" target="_blank">paola.dimaio@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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thanks Bob, and Nina<br>
<br>
yes I had seen some activity re the common good (some event took place<br>
earlier this year)<br>
<br>
where I come from (dont ask) this stuff comes under a broader topic, which<br>
is 'the commons'<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons</a><br>
<br>
there is a big global movement that concerns itself with the common good,<br>
while we follow creative commons as 'common intellectual property'<br>
there are other important pieces of the commons puzzle, startin from the<br>
law of the commons<br>
<br>
<a href="http://onthecommons.org/law-commons" target="_blank">http://onthecommons.org/law-commons</a><br>
<br>
I would think that the work being done under inthecommongood website may<br>
benefit from being aligned to the wider global movement<br>
to leverage its strenght, in terms of knowledge and resources<br>
It may benefit from being clustered under the bigger umbrella<br>
<br>
lots of work to be done, shall we organise an unconference where people<br>
can provide an overview<br>
of each different summary and perspective, then ask people to participate<br>
in the movement by<br>
sharing someting of their own for the common good?<br>
<br>
or something?<br>
<br>
PDM<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bob<<a href="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com" target="_blank">bob@citystrolls.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi P. Common Good?<br>
<br>
Sorta thing the common good could and should be used for<br>
<a href="http://www.inthecommongood.org/" target="_blank">http://www.inthecommongood.org/</a><br>
<br>
There is tons of space around, unfortunately it is being sold from under<br>
our noses. Two problems with the common good is. 1. the lack of awareness<br>
that it exists and 2. The lack of interest in its use as an organising tool<br>
in creating "true" public institutions for the uses that you are describing.<br>
Have a look B.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 17/08/2010 13:22, Paola Di Maio wrote:<br>
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Thanks Ben<br>
<br>
Useful info as an example of social enterprise, and probably material for<br>
a<br>
case study<br>
<br>
the model is fantastic and precisely what I d like to see more of,<br>
especially when it comes to<br>
organisations that advertise themselves as 'social enterprises'<br>
<br>
Contributing at least some organisational resources go common use should<br>
be<br>
a condition of all social enterprises<br>
or at least, should be brownie points for any publicly funded projects<br>
imho<br>
<br>
Tons of public spaces funded by public money in Edinburgh, how come<br>
nobody<br>
is offering a room for<br>
people to use in self managed, open way?<br>
<br>
I heard someone is auditing all the underused space and maybe we can make<br>
a<br>
case for better administration of the same at some point<br>
<br>
Of course well done to everyone for managing the use of the CCA open<br>
space<br>
so creatively and diligently<br>
<br>
Thanks for that<br>
<br>
let us se if we can replicate it elsewhere<br>
<br>
PDM<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Benjamin Dembroski<<a href="mailto:ben@dembroski.net" target="_blank">ben@dembroski.net</a><br>
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Hi All,<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I think the Electron Club is in a pretty unusual (and lucky) situation.<br>
<br>
Like Bob said, A few years ago the CCA approached a group of<br>
like-minded people to see if we were interested in using a the small<br>
space in the corner of the CCA. The jist of it was: They gave us use<br>
of the space, electrics, internet connection, some furniture, and some<br>
older computers to use. We could do pretty much anything we wanted,<br>
provided that a) it wasn't illegal and, b) was in some way publicly<br>
available.<br>
<br>
The rest was determined by the group. We made up a few more rules<br>
that about how the organisation would work, what it was for, and what<br>
kinds of activities were a no-no. That was it. The Electron Club was<br>
born!<br>
<br>
I think the only reason the CCA can justify donating the space to us&<br>
losing the rental income for the office space is that the EC hosts<br>
regular, free events that could be considered "Community Outreach".<br>
(Or whatever you want to call it.) So, in exchange for a the loss of a<br>
little rental income, the CCA gets a gaggle of motivated volunteers<br>
that do all sorts of interesting things for free that the CCA can lay<br>
claim to supporting. It can only help their applications for funding,<br>
and support. That's why it's so important to keep the room full and<br>
busy as much as possible.<br>
<br>
Use it or lose it, so the saying goes.<br>
<br>
I hope that sheds a little light on the conditions the EC operates<br>
under.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Ben D.<br>
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Sounds like a good plan supporting groups already established. The<br>
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electron<br>
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doesn't cost anything and was given over to artists and folk Si et al<br>
working in IT, but there is no restrictions in what the space can be<br>
used<br>
for so long as it ain't illegal. Be hard pushed to find a situation<br>
like<br>
that in Edin, or anywhere else for that matter:). Good luck in your<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
search.<br>
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Bob<br>
<br>
On 17/08/2010 11:59, chris h wrote:<br>
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Can someone provide some background as to what kind of deal does the<br>
Electron Club enter into with CCA, and any suggestions of where to<br>
look<br>
for something similar in Edinburgh?<br>
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The Autonomous Centre of Edinburgh has space and is under-utilised<br>
most<br>
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of<br>
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the week. There's an occasional tech-night event there and people there<br>
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would be likely to be interested in carrying something like that<br>
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