<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi David,<br> I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that would be as much time as I could hold my concentration. John.<br><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> DAVID BALL <dave.ball2@virgin.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Discussion list for the Electron Club <members@electronclub.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ELECTRON]
Beginners Programming<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way we would<br>have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together a<br>lesson plan and since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use<br>these to create a simple course, and i'll write up a set of course<br>notes for the first lesson and distribute them before monday, i'll<br>cover both C++ and PHP that way people can chose which one they want to<br>use and it will also let you see the similarities between the different<br>languages as well as the differences. as i've said one you understand<br>the core principals the language is really irrelevant<br>regards<br>dave<br><br><br>On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <<a ymailto="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com"
href="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com">bob@citystrolls.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob<br>><br>><br>><br>> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:<br>><br>>> thanks john, what time is suitable for those interested. as i said I'm<br>>> off<br>>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i<br>>> did<br>>> notice that the room is booked already at 7-9 so i was thinking perhaps<br>>> before that if it was suitable to people starting whenever.<br>>> i was planning of running it from the view point that no one has any<br>>> experience at all. and i'm happy to cover both PHP and a C language if<br>>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting to begin with but my<br>>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to
the<br>>> basic<br>>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on the<br>>> knowledge and previous work to help you improve your understanding.<br>>> so in the first session i would think the we should be able to cover<br>>> data<br>>> types, variables, functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,<br>>> and<br>>> then use them to look at creating a very simple text based dice game.<br>>> we could then over time look at how we would expand this simple game. i<br>>> find its always good to set a problem and see what issue arise and then<br>>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the<br>>> lesson so everyone can benefit from the improved understanding<br>>> resolving<br>>> the issue has given.<br>>>
regards<br>>> dave<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <<a ymailto="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com" href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Hi,<br>>>> Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very<br>>>> basic<br>>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The more I<br>>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally was<br>>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we<br>>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that<br>>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very<br>>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course along<br>>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to
that purpose, and we could<br>>>> concentrate on setting a time. John<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ______________________________**__<br>>>> From: DAVID BALL <<a ymailto="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net" href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <<a ymailto="mailto:members@electronclub.org" href="mailto:members@electronclub.org">members@electronclub.org</a>><br>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54<br>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn, the group can<br>>>> cover them all as far as concerned as I've said before all the c<br>>>> languages are part of the same family tree.<br>>>> i was thinking for the first
group to cover some main area's of<br>>>> programming.<br>>>> Such as variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and<br>>>> perhaps<br>>>> look at the differences and similarities between the languages<br>>>> people<br>>>> want to learn.<br>>>> i think it would be good to have some actual problem to solve, someone<br>>>> mentioned yathzee which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting<br>>>> but<br>>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.<br>>>> by that i mean we could look at identifying what would be need to<br>>>> write a<br>>>> yathzee type game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone<br>>>> would need to have the rules for theses games<br>>>> as we would need to cover quite a few of the
areas to create a simple<br>>>> dice game.<br>>>> regards<br>>>> dave<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <<a ymailto="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk" href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Yep... Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I<br>>>>><br>>>> have<br>>>><br>>>>> let everyone down.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to know<br>>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't<br>>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with that<br>>>>><br>>>>> Blair<br>>>>><br>>>>> Martin McGrath <<a ymailto="mailto:mcgrath.martin@gmail.com"
href="mailto:mcgrath.martin@gmail.com">mcgrath.martin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <<a ymailto="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk" href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>> experience<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>> platform<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> for beginners.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though I<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>> know<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> you can develop in c with
it.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>> was in<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the<br>>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads etc<br>>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++ for<br>>>>>> the<br>>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>
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