<div dir="ltr"><div>john i'll have to cancel Mondays class, sorry but i will re schedule but it will need to be later in the week. and start at 7 as i;ll be back at work.<br><br></div>regards<br>dave<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com" target="_blank">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Great 4 suits me much better. John.<br>
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From: DAVID BALL <<a href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>
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<div><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>
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i can start a 4 if people want<br>
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On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <<a href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi David,<br>
> I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that<br>
> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration. John.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: DAVID BALL <<a href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>
> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <<a href="mailto:members@electronclub.org">members@electronclub.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03<br>
> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>
><br>
><br>
> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way we would<br>
> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together a<br>
> lesson plan and since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use<br>
> these to create a simple course, and i'll write up a set of course<br>
> notes for the first lesson and distribute them before monday, i'll<br>
> cover both C++ and PHP that way people can chose which one they want to<br>
> use and it will also let you see the similarities between the different<br>
> languages as well as the differences. as i've said one you understand<br>
> the core principals the language is really irrelevant<br>
> regards<br>
> dave<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <<a href="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com">bob@citystrolls.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> thanks john, what time is suitable for those interested. as i said I'm<br>
> >> off<br>
> >> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i<br>
> >> did<br>
> >> notice that the room is booked already at 7-9 so i was thinking perhaps<br>
> >> before that if it was suitable to people starting whenever.<br>
> >> i was planning of running it from the view point that no one has any<br>
> >> experience at all. and i'm happy to cover both PHP and a C language if<br>
> >> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting to begin with but<br>
> my<br>
> >> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the<br>
> >> basic<br>
> >> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on<br>
> the<br>
> >> knowledge and previous work to help you improve your understanding.<br>
> >> so in the first session i would think the we should be able to cover<br>
> >> data<br>
> >> types, variables, functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> then use them to look at creating a very simple text based dice game.<br>
> >> we could then over time look at how we would expand this simple game.<br>
> i<br>
> >> find its always good to set a problem and see what issue arise and<br>
> then<br>
> >> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the<br>
> >> lesson so everyone can benefit from the improved understanding<br>
> >> resolving<br>
> >> the issue has given.<br>
> >> regards<br>
> >> dave<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <<a href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >>> Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very<br>
> >>> basic<br>
> >>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The<br>
> more I<br>
> >>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally was<br>
> >>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we<br>
> >>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that<br>
> >>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very<br>
> >>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course<br>
> along<br>
> >>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could<br>
> >>> concentrate on setting a time. John<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> ______________________________**__<br>
> >>> From: DAVID BALL <<a href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>
> >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <<a href="mailto:members@electronclub.org">members@electronclub.org</a>><br>
> >>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54<br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn, the group can<br>
> >>> cover them all as far as concerned as I've said before all the c<br>
> >>> languages are part of the same family tree.<br>
> >>> i was thinking for the first group to cover some main area's of<br>
> >>> programming.<br>
> >>> Such as variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and<br>
> >>> perhaps<br>
> >>> look at the differences and similarities between the languages<br>
> >>> people<br>
> >>> want to learn.<br>
> >>> i think it would be good to have some actual problem to solve, someone<br>
> >>> mentioned yathzee which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting<br>
> >>> but<br>
> >>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.<br>
> >>> by that i mean we could look at identifying what would be need to<br>
> >>> write a<br>
> >>> yathzee type game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone<br>
> >>> would need to have the rules for theses games<br>
> >>> as we would need to cover quite a few of the areas to create a<br>
> simple<br>
> >>> dice game.<br>
> >>> regards<br>
> >>> dave<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <<a href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Yep... Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>> have<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> let everyone down.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to know<br>
> >>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't<br>
> >>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with<br>
> that<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Blair<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Martin McGrath <<a href="mailto:mcgrath.martin@gmail.com">mcgrath.martin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <<a href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>> experience<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>> platform<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> for beginners.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though<br>
> I<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>> know<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> you can develop in c with it.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>> was in<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the<br>
> >>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads<br>
> etc<br>
> >>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++ for<br>
> >>>>> the<br>
> >>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Cheers<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Martin<br>
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