<div dir="ltr">i can start a 4 if people want<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com" target="_blank">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi David,<br>
I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that would be as much time as I could hold my concentration. John.<br>
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From: DAVID BALL <<a href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>
To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <<a href="mailto:members@electronclub.org">members@electronclub.org</a>><br>
</div>Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03<br>
<div class="im">Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>
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</div><div><div class="h5">So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way we would<br>
have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together a<br>
lesson plan and since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use<br>
these to create a simple course, and i'll write up a set of course<br>
notes for the first lesson and distribute them before monday, i'll<br>
cover both C++ and PHP that way people can chose which one they want to<br>
use and it will also let you see the similarities between the different<br>
languages as well as the differences. as i've said one you understand<br>
the core principals the language is really irrelevant<br>
regards<br>
dave<br>
<br>
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On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <<a href="mailto:bob@citystrolls.com">bob@citystrolls.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:<br>
><br>
>> thanks john, what time is suitable for those interested. as i said I'm<br>
>> off<br>
>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i<br>
>> did<br>
>> notice that the room is booked already at 7-9 so i was thinking perhaps<br>
>> before that if it was suitable to people starting whenever.<br>
>> i was planning of running it from the view point that no one has any<br>
>> experience at all. and i'm happy to cover both PHP and a C language if<br>
>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting to begin with but my<br>
>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the<br>
>> basic<br>
>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on the<br>
>> knowledge and previous work to help you improve your understanding.<br>
>> so in the first session i would think the we should be able to cover<br>
>> data<br>
>> types, variables, functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,<br>
>> and<br>
>> then use them to look at creating a very simple text based dice game.<br>
>> we could then over time look at how we would expand this simple game. i<br>
>> find its always good to set a problem and see what issue arise and then<br>
>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the<br>
>> lesson so everyone can benefit from the improved understanding<br>
>> resolving<br>
>> the issue has given.<br>
>> regards<br>
>> dave<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <<a href="mailto:john.c.at95@btinternet.com">john.c.at95@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>>> Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very<br>
>>> basic<br>
>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The more I<br>
>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally was<br>
>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we<br>
>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that<br>
>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very<br>
>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course along<br>
>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could<br>
>>> concentrate on setting a time. John<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
</div></div>>>> ______________________________**__<br>
<div><div class="h5">>>> From: DAVID BALL <<a href="mailto:dave.ball2@virgin.net">dave.ball2@virgin.net</a>><br>
>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <<a href="mailto:members@electronclub.org">members@electronclub.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn, the group can<br>
>>> cover them all as far as concerned as I've said before all the c<br>
>>> languages are part of the same family tree.<br>
>>> i was thinking for the first group to cover some main area's of<br>
>>> programming.<br>
>>> Such as variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and<br>
>>> perhaps<br>
>>> look at the differences and similarities between the languages<br>
>>> people<br>
>>> want to learn.<br>
>>> i think it would be good to have some actual problem to solve, someone<br>
>>> mentioned yathzee which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting<br>
>>> but<br>
>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.<br>
>>> by that i mean we could look at identifying what would be need to<br>
>>> write a<br>
>>> yathzee type game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone<br>
>>> would need to have the rules for theses games<br>
>>> as we would need to cover quite a few of the areas to create a simple<br>
>>> dice game.<br>
>>> regards<br>
>>> dave<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <<a href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yep... Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I<br>
>>>><br>
>>> have<br>
>>><br>
>>>> let everyone down.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to know<br>
>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't<br>
>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with that<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Blair<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Martin McGrath <<a href="mailto:mcgrath.martin@gmail.com">mcgrath.martin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <<a href="mailto:mail@justblair.co.uk">mail@justblair.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> experience<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> platform<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> for beginners.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though I<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> know<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> was in<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the<br>
>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads etc<br>
>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++ for<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>>><br>
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