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Krautkramer XYZ Table

on 2017-11-01, we have an opportunity to acquire a heavy split-axis cartesian XYZ machine for our endeavours:

Machine size and weight

Outermost dimensions with some margin:

Width 115 cm Depth 100cm Height 170cm Weight: at least 300kg

The machine itself is very robust.

It is likely approx. 40 years old, but for what it is, it has seen only a very light use. It was used to guide an ultrasonic probe in a water tank. The base and the bridge is solid steel; it is very rigid. It weights no less than 300kg.

There are no driver electronics whatsoever, but there is:

  • High precision rails on both axes. No play. No rust, no damage. Noiseless.
  • Linear motors. These are noiseless. Known coil resistance: 14 ohms. Tested working with 2A current, although, we'd have to test how much can they take before overheating. Ideally, they need onboard temperature monitor.
  • Ultra high precision linear encoders, with a sine-cosine output. Tested works OK at 5V supply.
  • Elastic scarf on both axes. This makes it a very pro-looking machine and makes it hard wearing.

I believe it can still serve the good of humanity for many years to come.

What is missing:
  • We need to build the servo amplifier and the motion controller for it. Budgetary cost ~~200gbp
  • We need to build a motion controller for it. *machinekit* has been suggested. As far as I understand, the club has a beaglebone black waiting for such opportunity.
  • We need to supply an end effector - e.g. 3D printer head, or other.


Before we can bring it to the club, there are following concerns to be addressed first:

Risk: Environmental - office conditions versus dust, noise, vibration e.t.c.


At this point, there would be no noise, no dust, no vibration e.t.c. This is because:

* The machine is not at this point operable. The servo amplifiers are missing and there is no end effector on it.

* When powered, the movement of the primary axes is mostly noiseless. This is because these are linear servo motors optimised for ultrasonic research and hence optimized for not generating acoustic noise (which would interfere with measurements). These kind of motors are very *unlike* stepper motors (which would buzz).

When we are ready to install the end effector, this will be the point to consider the amplitude of noise and dust generation:

* For a 3D printer head, we can all agree that regular ventilation & noise would be acceptable. Possibly, keep the window open to prevent accumulation of fumes. Otherwise, the risks are low.

* For a precision 3D scanner head (actually, one of the original uses of this machine) there would be no noise whatsoever. Budgetary cost ~150gbp

* For a general purpose CNC machine: I am afraid that this table is not really suitable for a general-purpose CNC operation. This is because the linear motors will have a rather limited force that they can exert. Hence, I believe that with current motors, metal and wood processing would not be feasible. One could think about installing stronger motors, but really, that would cost a lot. In any case, if we decide to do this, the dust would have to be extracted up to a cleanroom standard (possible, but not cheap) and the noise would be a serious consideration. High-quality spindles (with controlled runout) actually do not create that much noise, but they cost cost cost.

* For a PCB router: This is much more possible to do. It is possible to build a low power dust extractor from base materials ( i actually have all the parts that I can contribute). The noise would be manageable. We would need to buy in or make a high-quality spindle; budgetary cost is ~200-500gbp.

* A spark erosion processor (EDM): In such case, there is no dust, no noise, and the end product could be of extremely high quality (injection moulds are often finished with this technique). This method is in general, very slow, but on the up side, it is noiseless and easy on the enviroment. EM interference can be managed by enclosing the working area in a Faraday cage. Budgetary cost: Unknown, but no less than 500gbp.

Risk: Health and Safety from the moving parts


[Bob]: H&S?

[Jurek]: I do have to give You that this machine could potentially be an H&S issue. It has heavy moving parts. There is no sharps, but there is a potential for finger capture if one puts his finger into just the right place at just the right time.

The risks are mostly similar to the ones coming from a regular 3D printer (that we already have in the club) and less than the motorized table saw that is also already there.

To mitigate this risk, we could:

  • (proposal 1): Build it into a lockable cabinet to make it even more obvious that it is not to be messed with.

Since it is ours, it is OK to drill and tap holes. We can modify it any way we want.

Risk: How to remove it from the club after the interest wanes out


[Bob]: In case if the interest stalls, it will be difficult to get rid of it.

[Jurek]: I must agree with this. In order to mitigate this risk,

  • (proposal 1): I suggest that we start a fund, to be held by the CCA, in which there will be a deposit to cover the machine’s eventual disposal. I guess we might need to find somewhere in range of 300gbp .
  • (proposal 2): Another method might be to get an official quote from one of the scrap metal collectors: since there is easily 300kg of metal in this thing, I would guess they might be interested in picking this thing up for free from us.

Wooden CNC Machine

Recently we had someone contact us via the website to very kindly donating various tools and components. A volunteer collected the donation, which contained among other useful things some stepper motors. A good friend very kindly donated the shell of a CNC machine:

Further to this, we have:

  • A suitable power supply (donated by Kenny D)
  • An arduino mega, ramps board and various stepper drivers (donated by Martin McG)
  • BeagleBone Black plus Probotix PBX-BB board, kindly donated by Anderw B.

A CNC machine will allow people to build things in the Electron club, for example, circuit boards cut from copper plate, among other things. This video is a reasonable primer on the subject.

The current plan is to hold an event on a Saturday were we put all this together to build a CNC machine. Initially, for testing purposes, we'll have a pen so it will draw things. The remainder of the components required should be in the room, somewhere. Later we'll figure out which route to go for drilling (dremel, brushless spindle etc).

The details of when this will happen are pending, please watch this space and the mailing list.

Should you have any questions, or wish to donate related equipment please contact us.

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